God and Free will
Most religious people I know assume god interacts with the world around us. The saying is, "The lord works in mysterious ways." It also come up that people say god works though people. The best example is the "head's" of the faiths (priests, pope, clerics etc). How can these people have free will and have god guiding them? Are they like a donkey following a carrot on a string, influenced by their surroundings to do things?
If god influences someone to do "good" ( meaningless word to me, see this post) then he could influence someone to do "evil." Usually religious people say the devil does the "evil" part. But why doesn't god do a better job? He is almighty and all-knowing! Or does god force people to act a certain way to affect others?
If people don't have free-will there is no hell since god made to play their role and so they can't be doing "evil" since they are doing god's will by rapeing/killing/torturing...
Another option is that we do have free will and god does not interfere, only observes. In this case he'd never send his son or visions or any other coercions since he'd have no reasons to stop coercing until god was like a child playing with an ant. All the people who wrote the bible and other books where just exercising their free will and it was taken too seriously.
This brings up a great point: the definition of existence. For physicists it a very concrete and simple idea: something exists if it interacts with everything else and can be interacted with. That means in the last option god doesn't exist.
So we are either: a play with god acting all roles (even me), a bunch of influenced beings by god changing other peoples behaviors and the universe around us or an imaginative primate who has created a belief to fill in some psychological need.
If god influences someone to do "good" ( meaningless word to me, see this post) then he could influence someone to do "evil." Usually religious people say the devil does the "evil" part. But why doesn't god do a better job? He is almighty and all-knowing! Or does god force people to act a certain way to affect others?
If people don't have free-will there is no hell since god made to play their role and so they can't be doing "evil" since they are doing god's will by rapeing/killing/torturing...
Another option is that we do have free will and god does not interfere, only observes. In this case he'd never send his son or visions or any other coercions since he'd have no reasons to stop coercing until god was like a child playing with an ant. All the people who wrote the bible and other books where just exercising their free will and it was taken too seriously.
This brings up a great point: the definition of existence. For physicists it a very concrete and simple idea: something exists if it interacts with everything else and can be interacted with. That means in the last option god doesn't exist.
So we are either: a play with god acting all roles (even me), a bunch of influenced beings by god changing other peoples behaviors and the universe around us or an imaginative primate who has created a belief to fill in some psychological need.
posted by Eddie | 11:19 PM
4 Comments:
My MY how you do carry on about something you seem to know little about. I suggest you read the book of Genesis in the Bible and stop to reflect on what it says and not what you think it says.
All man kind (the highest link in the amimal chain) has the ability to say "Yes" or "No".
THE FOOL, hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (Psalm 14:1)
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If you think humans are the highest link in the animal chain, spend time with a tiger or bear and see if they'll kneel over and let you eat them or if they'll eat you. I think you'll realize your not on top.
"THE FOOL, hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (Psalm 14:1)"
The faithful attacked the world trade centers on 9/11, bombed the London underground, started the Iraq war, started the crusades, kidnapped and beheaded people in Iraq...
You have it the wrong way around the fool is the religious who are so blind they commit attrocities and think it's justified!
...and Athiests were the cause of more murders in a single century (the 20th) than in all other centuries combined. Point?
You can pass on Genesis for the time being and read Romans 9 instead.
What!?! First of all, let me say I think most wars are caused by economic reasons, religion plays only a cheerleading role. There are cases when it's solely a religious thing. But since most people in power are not athiest, and athiest don't have religious quarrels to start violence (such as the crusades Christians vs Muslims). How you can say this I wonder? Hitler was religious, Bush is religious and religions not allowing the use of condoms has killed millions which could have been saved in Africa form Aids. Athiests are the doctors and scientists who are trying to solve problems.
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